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ditchbanger65

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Posted: 10/01/08 04:19pm

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What are they allowing for sleds this year? I was thinking they should use stock 600's with maybe some pipes if they wish, easy and cheap to build and it would get the factory's involved, as well as more competitors like myself. If the fans could see a sled they could go buy the next day (what wins on Sunday sells on Monday) that wasn't hand built, would really help! Might be too late though for this year I spose. I know it would really tighten up the field that's for sure! Not only that but when I looked down last year and I'm doing 134 mph on the speedo, it's time to slow em down a little, maybe im just getting old though lol...just wondering...thinking about doing some cross country, buy two sleds, and have one for both I-500's...Chad Dyrdahl

Pol-Cat

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Posted: 10/01/08 04:39pm

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I believe the same rules as last year, only exception is that the apex is no longer allowed, yamaha riders have to use the nytro. What kinda sled you thinking of running? Going solo in the XC 500, or gonna run it in a team?

My vision is better then my hearing...shut up and show me something.

KKRACING#36

Sault Ste Marie, Mi Home of the Soo I-500 Enduro

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Posted: 10/01/08 07:00pm

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I ran a stock 600 rs last year and was running 11th and till a cylinder took us out. peaple didnt think it would keep up with the sleds. but it was just as fast as majority of them. i agree with ditchbanger the soo 500 shoud go to all stock sleds.

ditchbanger65

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Posted: 10/02/08 10:53am

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It would be alot easier, cheaper, which is what racers need in this economy, and I think they would actually fill the field again!

mbenoy119

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Posted: 10/02/08 01:15pm

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If "stock" means "stock", I'm all for it. Stock suspension, stock shock lengths, stock track, stock sway bar. If they just make the motors stock, the only thing it will do is take away 20-25 HP and slow the field down a little bit. Plus, the racing crowds love NOISE and the mods with pipes provide that noise.

Pol-Cat

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Posted: 10/02/08 01:20pm

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Still get to do suspension mods, run different tracks (I don't see the problem there), diff sway bars, and diff shock lengths. If stock was "stock", they would have 50-60 teams trying to make the 38 sled field again.

prochamp

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Posted: 10/02/08 01:27pm

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Might be easier for the "racers" but it would be a "BORING" show for the Fans

They dont want to watch Stockers with no noise running slow speeds around that track for 500 miles!

The COST of racing is what is limiting the entry field not MOD sleds
Mods are easy not that expensive to run the SOO

I have been racing at the SOO since 1978
IF you ran stockers you would still have to do the following:

1.Change track and studding
2.Change rear suspension travel and shocks
3.Add track lubers
4.Change handlebars for Oval racing
5.Install rear tunnel protection
6.Change seat for rider comfort
7.Change Gas tank for fueling or buy quick fuel tanks
8.Change gearing in chaincase
9.Install foot loop for cornering
10.Change windshield for race day and handlebars
11.Change SKIS and carbides ( Extra Parts and skis)
12.Reinforce front end or change everything from stock for handleing
13.Change front ski shocks and springs
14.Add tunnel protection for studs
15.Add Clutch guard to meet rules
16.Change clutching, both primary and secondary ( still have to have parts)
17.Remove headlight or tape off
18.Block off hood openings for race day
19.Add tether switch
20.Break in new parts with testing or riding

These are 20 off the first items off my head
MOD entries at the SOO are usually mild versions of Full Mod race motors due to the length of the race and the straights at the Soo.
You still need all the same chassis costs and extra parts
You still need extra pistons,cylinder, gaskets,clutching,gearing ect

All you will do by going to STOCKERS at the Soo is eliminate about 75% of the current sleds that run the race now, and make the faster Teams faster with special stocker parts from the OEMS. Oh and dont tell me that wont happen as I have been part of the Factory efforts for years and have recieved alot of those SPECIAL parts that "john doe" cant get
These issues are why the stocker programs are not working in oval racing at this point. Yes the OEMS promise involvement but will not guarantee enough $$$ for the racers or promoters to make this change. You also eliminate Local Sponsors and Parts suppliers for Teams when you go to all Stockers and this hurts the race budget for the individual teams.

OEM parts discounts wont help bring entries. It needs larger crowds and Total Purse money, and until that happens you will not see Oval racing thrive like in the late 70's or 80's

prochamp

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Posted: 10/02/08 01:35pm

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mbenoy119 wrote:

Hey Mike imagine running your new champ sled at the SOO on a mile oval for 500 Laps
From 1978 thru 1986 thats what we did with the same type of equipment and cost relative to the times. DIfference was we raced 5 races a year with a Big payday to place or win and got Factory money and help as well

prochamp

Pol-Cat

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Posted: 10/02/08 01:54pm

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prochamp wrote:

Well, the fans ain't too excited with the "mods" they are running now, or there would be more fans. The "stock" motors have been some of the fastest sleds after 200 laps the past few years, burning thru 60-65 gallons of 92 octane is ALOT cheaper then burning that much 110 gas. I don't see why you have to change tracks and studding, Corey davidson has done quite well on 1 1/4" tracks and trail studs the past few years, I change rear suspension travel and shocks just for trail riding different terrain, stock gearing in a stock 600 is about perfect for the soo, foot loops and handlebars are a drivers preference, if it was stock-everybody would have to deal with the same seats and tanks. Some stuff like shock setup, clutching, ski's and carbides are something you'll never be able to get away from, stock or mod. "Special" parts aren't like what they used to be, they aren't very special anymore, you can get the same thing from about 3 different aftermarket guys nowadays. I respect everything that you have done over the years prochamp, and usually agree with what you have to say about enduro racing, but I think your incorrect on alot of those 20 things. It's pretty obvious that the mod sleds aren't attracting racers or fans. I think that the low snow winters have hurt too, when there's snow, people have to skip watching, and get their riding in. A few more "normal" winters would help in many different aspects.

yammrhammr

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Posted: 10/02/08 02:12pm

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and to think all Yamaha has to do to win is show up with a stock Apex and win three in a row.

will Yamaha ever lose at the soo again?

yammrhammr says, "my Apex has more HP than you can shake a stick at"

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