4th ski-doo
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Rick27 wrote:4/strokes sound like the shiz to me, maybe i'll have to try one sometime.
If we survive four liberal anti motor sport agenda with Barak as pres that'll be the only thing you will be able to ride.
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dothedoo
Shiocton, Wisconsin
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MM wrote:Why would you build a four stroke if your two strokes were superior??
You're kidding right?
How does Doo building a 4s (in a different class than any of their current models) imply that they now may think 4s are better than 2s?
As much as you don't want to, you're going to have to admit that Doo has really got their chit together right now.
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YamaDooed
Upstream from the herd...
Joined: 09/03/2004
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dothedoo wrote:
Rob....Doo has the Etec to compete with the vector and the 800r to compete with the Apex. They think they have the Vector and the Apex covered. I think Doo was pretty clever to counter the Nytro which is the sled that is probably the most appealing to most non-Yam riders.
I got the sense talking to some dealers that their spring orders for 4tecs were tiny compared to e-tecs and 800r.
I'm pretty open minded in sleds but I thought the 4 tek motor 1200cc fell short of what they were really look'n for which was a apex market sled killa so they just decided put it up against a nytro...
The etec stuffed into a MXZ chassis go'n up against a vector with a 5 year old carb motor is gonna be embarass'n as beat'n up a girl and her get'n some good swings in on ya...
The 800r hopefully will make it thru a second season without a major overhaul most will be sport'n new riders though...
Butt one good part to all dis carp is the next year sleds should kick some azz and da weak shall be offed to the tour'n group duty...
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MM700
Northern Wisconsin
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dothedoo wrote:MM wrote:Why would you build a four stroke if your two strokes were superior??
You're kidding right?
How does Doo building a 4s (in a different class than any of their current models) imply that they now may think 4s are better than 2s?
As much as you don't want to, you're going to have to admit that Doo has really got their chit together right now.
Never said they didn't have their **** together...in case you forgot..I ride a doo...it's not about who's better...it's ski-doo trashin four strokes for years...then they build one, and all of the sudden it's ok....the dootalk people act like it's the best thing since sliced bread and it hasn't even hit the snow yet. All first year models have bugs....even ski-doo isn't perfect..so let's see
what happens after the first season.
I have ridden the new vectors and apex's...and they ride and handle just fine...the nytro was different...but not bad. I have owned doo and yamaha...IMO they are both head and shoulders above arctic cat and polaris in fit and finish and overall quality.
Funny thing is...I didn't like the riding position on my 03 rev...took me a while to get used to it....now I like it better than the new xp seating position..yeah they are light..but I couldn't get used to it ( hopefully I'll get more seat time this winter on one). I still like doos... In fact the 07 renegade blizzard is at or near the top of my list of possible next sleds. So I haven't ruled out two strokes.
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funkadelic101
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SkiDoo trashed em bla bla bla... mebbe skidoo trashed other folks 4toke offerins cuz they trully sukked a nut. I don't see skidoo makin' ads sayin: Jus kiddin' those old Yam4slugs er the shyt!!
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dothedoo
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Nah, I don't think Doo was shooting for something to go against the Apex as the 800r takes care of that. It makes sense for them to target the market where the Nytro is. IMHO.
I'm not sure why the Etec would have trouble with the Vector? It's got 10 more HP than Doo's old 600 carb which was faster than the Vector in Amsnow's shootout.
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Rick27
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Pol-Cat wrote:Jus buzzing down the rail trails, I'll agree the weight is unnoticeable, but running in the rough, weight is easily noticed by alot of people, not being a racer doesn't exclude you from feeling weight
I saw you running down a race course with that lite weight F6 and the heavy weight yams seemed to do ok against it.
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MM700
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dothedoo wrote:Nah, I don't think Doo was shooting for something to go against the Apex as the 800r takes care of that. It makes sense for them to target the market where the Nytro is. IMHO.
I'm not sure why the Etec would have trouble with the Vector? It's got 10 more HP than Doo's old 600 carb which was faster than the Vector in Amsnow's shootout.
Wrong....the etec was just dynoed at 117 hp...that's 5 less hp than my 03 rev...the vector was dynoed last winter at 123.
Faster??? sure on top...not out of the hole. The pull of the vector is impressive down low...it pulls hard and is very smooth.
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dothedoo
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MM700 wrote:dothedoo wrote:Nah, I don't think Doo was shooting for something to go against the Apex as the 800r takes care of that. It makes sense for them to target the market where the Nytro is. IMHO.
I'm not sure why the Etec would have trouble with the Vector? It's got 10 more HP than Doo's old 600 carb which was faster than the Vector in Amsnow's shootout.
Wrong....the etec was just dynoed at 117 hp...that's 5 less hp than my 03 rev...the vector was dynoed last winter at 123.
Faster??? sure on top...not out of the hole. The pull of the vector is impressive down low...it pulls hard and is very smooth.
You need to READ before you respond. The XP that tested faster in the shootout last year was the old carbed 600(500SS), not the 600HO. The 600HO is no longer available and never put in the XP(the race motor I think was a newer version of the 600HO). The 500SS motor was around 110hp at one point. In any case, the sled that outperformed the Vector did not have more hp than the etec.
And the Doo 600(500SS) was quicker throughout the range of Amsnow's test, not just on top.
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Pol-Cat
riding a rental from da LTCM stable
Joined: 12/22/2003
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MM700 wrote:I have ridden the new vectors and apex's...and they ride and handle just fine...the nytro was different...but not bad.
That means, when translated to the man version of english, that ya ride like a puss. There is nothing "fine" about the ride or handling of a apex if you use more then half throttle and/or there are bumps bigger then 6". Castle racing just came out with a winter riding skirt for gals just like you
My vision is better then my hearing...shut up and show me something.
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