Pol-Cat
riding a rental from da LTCM stable
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If you can seriously tell me that an apex rides fine in bumped out ditch lines, or anything worse then a slightly bumpy groomed trail, I think your crazy. I have ridden a 06, never a 08 or 09, but unless they lost 40lbs, I doubt they'll be fine. If I had to ride a heavy pig, I'd take a zrt 800 or xcr over a apex in anything but a slightly washboard trail.
My vision is better then my hearing...shut up and show me something.
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Rick27
michigan
Joined: 01/30/2006
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Pol-Cat wrote:lol..I ride 3 times a year, and smoke 2 packs a day, it was driver issue's best I can tell. So why did Lissa ditch the new yamaha and ride the firecat the following weekend?
She didn't want to share a sled Pol-Cat. I think the Phazer would work well if we could get some seat time on it, so we could get the shocks and springs calabrated better. I watched the Nytros and feel that they could work well also after some good test time.
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Rick27
michigan
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Pol-Cat wrote:If you can seriously tell me that an apex rides fine in bumped out ditch lines, or anything worse then a slightly bumpy groomed trail, I think your crazy. I have ridden a 06, never a 08 or 09, but unless they lost 40lbs, I doubt they'll be fine. If I had to ride a heavy pig, I'd take a zrt 800 or xcr over a apex in anything but a slightly washboard trail.
It's a mono shock Pol-Cat, Your not gonna get it to be a ditch banger by just dropping some weight. Not many trail riders need an all out snowX setup anyway. Most are as out of shape as you stated you are, if not alot worse. The snowX set up is way to stiff to ride all day and have much fun. It's great when the bumps get huge but sucks in the chatter bumps. The mono works well in alot of conditions but huge bumps isn't one of them.
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4th ski-doo
Chicago
Joined: 11/22/2001
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The 1200 4-TEC is just an offering to keep doo guys on doo. Some of you will not ride a two stroke anymore because of Al Gore and the epa.
That's all it is. Remember, it's the second attempt at a 4 toker from the guys in Valcourt.
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MM700
Northern Wisconsin
Joined: 10/11/2001
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Pol-Cat wrote:If you can seriously tell me that an apex rides fine in bumped out ditch lines, or anything worse then a slightly bumpy groomed trail, I think your crazy. I have ridden a 06, never a 08 or 09, but unless they lost 40lbs, I doubt they'll be fine. If I had to ride a heavy pig, I'd take a zrt 800 or xcr over a apex in anything but a slightly washboard trail.
No I wouldn't tell you that...and anybody who buys an apex to run ditchlines, or to jump snow banks is an idiot. IMO the 08's and 09's handled the bigger bumps better, than the 07's..the mono is a very cushy ride...very similar to a sabre cat...but bigger guys were bottoming the mono out on big bumps..that's what yamaha adressed on the 08's/09's. The mono is a very good trail suspension.
That being said the nytro rtx I rode last year was way to stiff for me, as was the x package rev I rode...maybe I am getting old...but you guys can keep those stiff racing type sleds...I want a suspension that strokes through it's travel with out bottoming. I like being able to walk monday after a long weekend of riding. 
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Pol-Cat
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Joined: 12/22/2003
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Rick27 wrote:Pol-Cat wrote:lol..I ride 3 times a year, and smoke 2 packs a day, it was driver issue's best I can tell. So why did Lissa ditch the new yamaha and ride the firecat the following weekend?
She didn't want to share a sled Pol-Cat. I think the Phazer would work well if we could get some seat time on it, so we could get the shocks and springs calabrated better. I watched the Nytros and feel that they could work well also after some good test time.
I don't blame her a bit on that. I wish I had all the parts and time ta throw at that F6, I'm sure it could do alot better then bottom out the front end in every hole, but ta even find somewhere to ride that duplicates those conditions is a challenge. I lived and learned that I can't take a out of shape body and 6 year old sled technology and compete with guys that do that stuff every weekend. Your a damn good wrench and sled setter-upper Rick, but you think you could make a nytro handle better then Davidson? He said he thru everything him, Matt Carver, and yamaha could think of at the nytro, but it still far lacked what he could do on a 5 year old polaris.
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Rick27
michigan
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The skids under all the sleds at the racing level aren't that much differant Pol-Cat. It really comes down to sprung and unsprung weight and how you control each. The front end setup and length of the a arms in relation to the attachment points will have alot to do with cornering. Watch an off road racer sometime because they compare alot to a snowmobile in the fact that they are trying to turn something with a high center of gravity sitting on alot of suspention travel. If you force it to turn and keep it hooked up front and back then it rolls over on the right front corner, the same as a sled picking up the inside ski because it shifted weight to the outside corner. If you stiffen it up enough to stop this you lose alot of travel in the springs and shocks. The off road racer overcomes this by sliding through the corners and counter steering. Dual or even triple rate springs in conjunction with shock valving that is set up to control each seperate segment of the spring is what needs to be worked on. It isn't about who can make it the stiffest and still hang on. You can make any sled not bottom out, the trick is to do it without compomising travel.
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Pol-Cat
riding a rental from da LTCM stable
Joined: 12/22/2003
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I shoulda learned something bout springs/valving years ago, gonna try ta find a book for reference and mess around with that this year. Lissa gonna do any more xc this year?
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Rick27
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I'm not sure right now but I wouldn't bet against it, Pol-Cat.
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YamaDooed
Upstream from the herd...
Joined: 09/03/2004
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Anyone gots some of those Nytron based Decimate'n Cyber Dooming pics to post??? I need some Drama here...
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