FIB
Just south of the cheddar curtain
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kenlacy wrote:FIB wrote:kenlacy wrote:
Funny how the market went from ok one day and the next it was "we are in a crisis" and the market dove.
Whats "FUNNY", is us "libs" told you about this looooooooooooooooong ago.
But, bein a neo-con,....... YOU DON'T LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Are you drunk Fibber?
If gas never blew up to 4+ a gallon for an extended period of time, none of this would have come out yet. The bankers and politicians could have gone on forever milkin the poor.
So it wasn't Fannie & Freddie afterall.
It was da rePUBICans kok-swallowin wit der BIG OIL buddies.
Icehole wrote:
......such obbsession can't be healthy
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kenlacy
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Joined: 10/25/2001
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Could have been any major economic change to trigger the fm/banking/poli debacle. Just happened to be oil, and the de-regulated oil trade industry (thanks to Clinton) that allowed for the black market bs drivin up oil prices.
Beavis440_the_babblin_dem wrote:You, I can't take serious. You have nothing to offer. You're a hollow tree full of hot air.
me wrote:So what exactly is a solid tree full of cold air - like?
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ZR900MAN
Cherrycreek snowgoers
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Fib, you are the dumbest phuck yet. By now it is common knowledge that it was lib policies, some going all the way back to Carter that caused the bank failure. I am not going to repeat all the laws and dictates that brought this on us as it has already been done to death. My point is that this 700 megazillion bailout did not work . October is historicly a rocky month for stocks.Think 1929 then research other sell offs, oct. is rough. Now when it begins to recover eventually, the bailout backers will take credit. It would have recovered anyhow, but now it will take longer and allow a lot of irresponsible people to keep houses that they never should have had. Just delaying the inevitable, they will lose them later on becuase they are financialy ignorant people.
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RIGGS1
WISCONSIN
Joined: 03/19/2003
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This year the Wi. Conservation Patron License is $165.
I still say its a good deal; to shoot, trap, fish, spear or KILL anything the state has to offer. It also allows you to spend a 3 day weekend w/ a game wardens wife with no repercussions.
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snoxraceteam
Upper Peninsula, Michigan
Joined: 10/01/2003
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A letter to me from my congressman Bart Stupak
Thank you for contacting me regarding the bailout of Wall Street.
In mid-September, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson insisted the government would not bail out American International Group (AIG), which was heavily invested in the subprime mortgage market. Thirty six hours later, the Secretary changed his mind and the Federal Reserve provided an $85 billion line of credit to save AIG in the largest government bailout of a private corporation in U.S. history.
It is alleged that Secretary Paulson changed his mind because his former
employer, Goldman Sachs, was AIG's largest trading partner and its collapse threatened to leave Goldman Sachs with a $20 billion loss.
Just days earlier, the failure of global financial services firm Lehman Brothers became the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history, sending global markets into turmoil. The Secretary refused to assist Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and other distressed financial firms.
By the end of that same week, the Treasury Secretary came to Congress with a two-and-a-half page, $700 billion bailout proposal for Wall Street, insisting that the White House proposal must be implemented immediately to avoid a severe financial crisis.
It was against this backdrop, that Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve
Chairman Ben Bernanke insisted Congress grant the administration
unprecedented authority and power, essentially asking elected officials to
handover the keys to the U.S. Treasury allowing political appointees, like
Secretary Paulson, to determine which Wall Street financial institutions would receive hand outs. As greed ran amuck, there was now panic on Wall Street.
It came as quite a shock that Paulson, Bernanke and President Bush - the same men who have for the past year continued to insist our economy is sound and that it would survive the subprime mortgage crisis - were now asking Congress for government intervention unprecedented since the Great Depression. Like many of my colleagues, I did not trust their gloom and doom forecast and wanted time to review the proposal before adding $700 billion to our national debt.
Democrats and Republicans worked with the Bush Administration to craft the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. I compliment members of both parties involved in these negotiations for their hard work and willingness to compromise to produce a much improved proposal.
I have heard from thousands of my constituents across northern Michigan and have reviewed their messages, emails and letters. My staff and I have reached out to banks, credit unions, small businesses, economists and many constituents across northern Michigan. Most people sensed the urgency of addressing the financial crisis but had many more questions than answers.
While the debates raged over what Congress should do, a consensus on four main principles emerged: there must be transparency on the purchase of troubled assets by the secretary; no windfalls or golden parachutes should be provided for executives; Congress must provide strong oversight; and the taxpayers must be protected. H.R. 3997 falls short in all of these areas.
The bottom line is Wall Street executives enjoyed lavish lifestyles and exorbitant salaries while making risky real estate and mortgage investments. Many of these financial transactions were unregulated and no one exercised oversight of these markets or these individuals. Now the American taxpayer is being asked to bail out Wall Street for such things as NINJA mortgages. NINJA mortgages are those granted to individuals with no income, no job and no assets.
You don't have to look very hard to find the excesses Wall Street executives continue to enjoy. On September 25, Washington Mutual became the largest bank to fail in U.S. history. Its CEO has been on the job less than three weeks and stands to walk away with $18 million, including a $7 million "signing bonus" just for taking the job. Last year, the CEO of Merrill Lynch walked away with $161 million. The CEO of AIG was offered a $22 million severance package on the heels of the government bailout, but declined to accept it after considerable public pressure. Treasury Secretary Paulson, himself a former chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, received a $38 million compensation package
in his final year with the company and had a personal net worth of more than $500 million when he became Treasury Secretary!
Although $700 billion is the number being attached to this bailout, even the Treasury Secretary acknowledges the number is arbitrary and was chosen to show the financial markets the U.S. government was serious. No one can tell us the total cost of the bailout, what the taxpayers are being asked to purchase or even if the infusion of $700 billion will solve this financial crisis.
My review of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act shows that the limitations on Wall Street executive pay and golden parachutes only apply if a financial entity receives $300 million in government help; this $700 billion bailout raises the national debt to $11.3 trillion; taxpayers will have no way to recoup the interest on the $700 billion bailout; taxpayers will have to pay for the administration of this bailout; and finally, no one can tell us where or how the United States will come up with $700 billion.
I am concerned $700 billion is just the beginning and additional billions of dollars will almost certainly be necessary. The bailout is likely to go on for more than five years and over that time I fully expect corruption and criminal activity will be found on Wall Street and, sadly, no one will probably be held accountable to the American taxpayer.
On September 29, 2008, the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (H.R. 3997), which would authorize the $700 billion bailout, failed in the U.S. House of Representatives by a vote of 205-228. I voted "no" on the bill because I could not ask American families - who work hard, play by the rules and struggle to meet their own financial obligations - to bail out Wall Street executives for their reckless, lavish lifestyles.
On October 1, 2008, The U.S. Senate passed its version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act (H.R. 1424) by a vote of 74 to 25. This legislation made no changes to the $700 billion bailout provisions that the House voted on. Instead, the bill added additional provisions, including tax incentives for businesses and alternative energy producers, a one-year fix to correct the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), and a provision to increase from $100,000 to $250,000 Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) insurance for bank accounts.
Unfortunately, the Senate also added special interest tax breaks for rum producers in the Virgin Islands and producers of wooden arrows used for children's toys, among others. These provisions added an additional $100-150 billion in new spending to the bailout bill, without paying for the majority of this new spending.
On October 3, 2008, the House passed the Senate bill by a vote of 263 to 171. I again voted against the bailout package.
None of the concerns I had raised when the House first considered the legislation were addressed. The bill still did not effectively limit the pay
of Wall Street executives, it will significantly increase the national debt,
there are still not sufficient protections of taxpayer dollars, and there is still no evidence that this bailout will actually address the problems with our economy. Efforts to attract more votes for the bailout package only made it worse.
This bailout does not represent our northern Michigan values. It rewards bad behavior without any accountability for these irresponsible actions. I remain concerned we are being rushed into this bailout with no opportunity to hear opposing views or alternative proposals. A number of respected economists have said there are better ways to address this financial crisis than merely throwing money at the problem. We should start by holding those who led us down this road accountable for their actions.
The President is expected to quickly sign the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act into law and begin implementing it immediately. As the Treasury Secretary begins to use these funds, I will continue to monitor the Administration to ensure that taxpayer dollars are used wisely.
Sincerely,
BART STUPAK
Member of Congress
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BadCompany
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cliffnotes or nothing
Oldtimer F-7 wrote:Smiles, not miles. 
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snoxraceteam
Upper Peninsula, Michigan
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After receiving 85 billion dollars, AIG executives went to a luxury resort and spent $444,000 on $1000 a night rooms, golf, massages etc!
Isn't it nice that they felt they deserved to be pampered at the taxpayers expense!
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mnsnowboy
Minnesota
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BadCompany wrote:cliffnotes or nothing
Even dey get fukkin long.
-sb
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Pol-Cat
34 days away...
Joined: 12/22/2003
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bailout failed???? libs and pubs bailed out their friends and fukked us taxpayers, looks like congress succeced immensely with their goal
My vision is better then my hearing...shut up and show me something.
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ZR900MAN
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They said without this bailout the stock market would collapse. they got the money and it still collapsed. Government intervention in the private sector only serves to distort reality. This kind of shows that the big fund managers know the bailout wont work.
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