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Luv2sled

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Posted: 11/22/08 10:17am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

funkadelic101 wrote:

GM is the largest foreign car seller in China.

In the 1920's GM and road builders began a campaign to buy railways and destroy them. The campaign was called, "one person, one car".

GM's SUV and light trucks sales brought in a profit of $10-15,000 per vehicle, until after 9/11 the interest rates increased and GM engaged in marketing techniques which dropped their profit margins.

In 2008 SUV/light truck sales dropped 30% after gas prices started to rise, the profitibility of SUVs and light trucks started to decline in 2001, and the demand started to decline in 2004. Regardless of dropping margins and dropping demand, GM cancelled new sedan and small car development and instead went forward with the new SUV platform known as CXX, which was cancelled in Oct. 2008.

GM's sales of SUVs as a profit center dates back to the 1990's.

In September 2007, the UAW went on strike. Part of the contract talks? To Gaurantee that GM maintain SUV and light truck production. This is also in conjunction with the CAW(canadian auto workers)


The bottom line here?? GM has a business model that ISN'T SUSTAINABLE!!!!

They destroyed mass transit for roads and personal vehicles. It has been a great nearly 100 year run. But the US CANNOT MAINTAIN this type of approach to REAL transportation needs forever.

So, if the UAW helped build america into what it is TODAY, BUT their efforts were put to a NON SUSTAINABLE use.... then let these people go to work for a DIFFERENT approach to building an american mass transit system.

If the american taxpayer bails out GM, Ford, Chrysler... then the TAXPAYERS should take OWNERSHIP of these companies. And guess what? They're too fukking BIG!!!

It's time for america to start the green bubble. Real solutions to real problems, people will make a shytload of $$$ creating this bubble, and eventually many will lose their a$$ when it bursts, but in the end at least america will have an independant infrastructure that sustains the people who built it. Instead of the latter GM 'one person one car' approach which is reaching the end of its tenure as a profitable venture that was NEVER responsible in the first place, and one that has proven to sustain the needs of only the immediate.

The problem here is the UAW and GM/Ford/Chrys are addicted to the sweet profits of retardedly large suvs, and they can't kick the habit regardless of the signs on front of them that it aint workin no mo. Crackheads.


Just buy american, lets keep the dream alive for another 100 years....LMFAO!


Mainescant says, "that's just an Urban Legend"....LOL

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Posted: 11/22/08 10:19am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Can't afford? Or don't NEED?

OK people, there's 305 million people in the USA.

There's 110 million homes in the USA.

There's 251 registered vehicles in the USA.

There's 11 million new cars built by the USA a year.

That's 2.7 people per home, 2.28 vehicles per home.

If the USA buys 1/3rd of the vehicles produced every year by Japan, USA, and China, that would be 10 million vehicles.

So, one in 30 americans needs to buy a new car every year, take into account 25% of the US pop. is -18, that # goes to one in 22.5 people needs to buy a new car every year to maintain current sales #'s....

Best part is, GM,Ford, Chrys maintained these sales #'s for much of the 2000's, and profits still plummeted due to incentive based pricing in reaction to increasing interest rates, and gas prices.

So, just in a consensus of this board roughly 70 people need to have bought 3 new vehicles this year at full msrp to sustain US automakers need for margins.


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Posted: 11/22/08 11:11am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You got it all figured out Funk. Fill out an application for an auto exec job and turn in yer resume'.

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I got it all figured out, but yer tellin' me to go work at a place that doesn't turn a profit anymore.

Don't get mad, 90% of what I listed there were numerical FACTS. Now, the "what to do" with the employees thing was personal opinion. If UAW members say they want to work for a fair wage, then I say put that labor force asset to use to something like re-building the infrastructure of this country. Use it to rebuild the rail system that GM bought and destroyed, use it to build nuclear powerplants, wind harnessing, wave energy, solar. Build buildings using new technology, promote geo-thermal heating and cooling. Hell, how many people have natural gas plumbed to their home? The technology is there for natural gas cars, (why is Honda beating US autos in this area?) we could easily have natural gas stations to refuel our natural gas commuter cars right at home.

Its easy to act like a fukkin a$$hole to me and get pompous as all get out, but just TRY to argue against it instead. I rarely get into this type a BS without using logic, and reason. So I'd like to hear why the US should stay stuck in its past for that sake alone.

Like someone at this site said: Its time to move on.

Why is the US the ONLY first world nation to use coal burning as its main source of electricity? Why can over half our naval fleet be powered by nuclear, but it isn't good enough for us? Why do liberals on the east coast claim to love the environment but shut down wind and wave energy farming in their backyards?

The US has ENERGY and TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. We have the greatest ASSET in the world. A buncha people willing to work towards solving these problems. Not to mention we even have a economic system that rewards people that create and innovate the technology to meet these demands. So why is our government getting so involved that the only thing it does is take AWAY these incentives just to prop up the OLD ways things have been done? The US gov't is cutting off the head of the creative monster that will create new jobs and a new american landscape. Why? I dunno, is it Washington lobbyists that have been operating under a racket for nearly 100 years? Automakers, corngrowers, tobacco, their all there gettin what is now amounting to welfare from gov't tax dollars.

Face it US autos being produced at their numbers is not sustainable, put our assets (working people) to use building something that will CONTINUE to pay dividends into the future. That's infrastructure, not recyclabe cars.

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Posted: 11/22/08 11:50am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I dont see Waxman expanding offshore drilling or offshore wind generators or nuclear power plants. Maybe I am wrong and he will surprise me. I think we may get somewhere with the natural gas as Obama seems to be listening to TB Pickens. I read that over 60% of all gas stations in the country already have natural gas as a heat source, so converting to filling stations wouldn't be such a problem....and home fill stations run about $1000 right now.

I think the uaw is still a major issue and until they get more on par with everyone else, they don't deserve to be bailed out.

yammrhammr

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Posted: 11/22/08 11:57am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

funky is a honda loving lib?


yammrhammr says, "my Apex Mono suspension is race tested and bullet proof "

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If the gov't bailed out US autos, then they should give a credit for OVER the cost to anyone willing to go natural gas filling in their homes and buy a GM/Ford/Chrys natural gas vehicle. This will kill the gas station industry landscape that covers the US. They should do the same and let GM buy out Tesla motors and give homeowners tax breaks for solarizing their homes and buying electric. They should also collaborate with Willie Nelson to help production of bio-diesel and sell bio-diesel vehicles in locales close to where bio diesel can be produced efficiently. If the gov't gives cash, they should DICTATE diversity.

And instead of contracting builders to make new plants in Russia, China etc. They should put the UAW workforce to use building powerplants that will CONTINUE to give returns. The US took a big bite in the a$$ building Hoover damn, but its there, and still valuable to america. The UAW could be put to good work building railsystems as well.

The gov't should tax the he(( outta electricity companies burning coal, and give tax breaks to companies that sell the shyt and send it outta the country.

Best part is, the WHOLE country needs this, and spreading the population and wealth maintains that one area won't get killed completely if shyt falls off for a bit. ie read: FLINT MICHIGAN!


The US really doesn't need to worry about oil, or getting some. THe US needs to increase its value and get to work advancing technology again to the point we rely on oil less, and the oil we need will be no problem to afford. But, keep our policy open to anything to survive so as to keep the ruffians from gettin' too big a head about havin oil.

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I don't own a Honda there yammrspammr... but y is it the US is the #1 user of natural gas, (heating homes) but a Jap carmaker is kicking our a$$ in that they are the ONLY ones offering one here in the US??

Why does GM sell small diesels worldwide, but not in america? Why do we still get the recyclable cars from GM in america? Cuz we're stupid enuff to think just buying more sustains an economy, it doesn't. If all americans bought vehicles that they KNEW would last over a decade and 300k miles, it would actually improve americas net worth having quality product.

Why does VW have better diesel tech on our shores? We build the fukking spaceshuttle fer krists sake!!

We live in the land of McMansions and recyclable cars that run on non renewable energy. But we can't figure out why people seem strapped to make ends meet.

yammrhammr

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Posted: 11/22/08 12:44pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

funkadelic101 wrote:

I don't own a Honda there yammrspammr... but y is it the US is the #1 user of natural gas, (heating homes) but a Jap carmaker is kicking our a$$ in that they are the ONLY ones offering one here in the US??

Why does GM sell small diesels worldwide, but not in america? Why do we still get the recyclable cars from GM in america? Cuz we're stupid enuff to think just buying more sustains an economy, it doesn't. If all americans bought vehicles that they KNEW would last over a decade and 300k miles, it would actually improve americas net worth having quality product.

Why does VW have better diesel tech on our shores? We build the fukking spaceshuttle fer krists sake!!

We live in the land of McMansions and recyclable cars that run on non renewable energy. But we can't figure out why people seem strapped to make ends meet.


u make a lot of sense funky, and i'll stop tryin to start sumthin with you for no real reason other than i think i just hate people from arkansas.

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The US represents 4% of the worlds population, but consumes 25% of its energy.

GM should just keep building suvs and trucks that they used to make a profit on but now at a loss cause they just refuse to change, thats a great idea.

americans are proving they can't prop this up anymore with needless sales.

yammr, how many new gm suvs/trucks hav u bought or even SOLD at msrp?

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